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Rethinking Hong Kong’s Startup Ecosystem and Its Legal Foundations

Ep #75 with Syed Musheer Ahmed, Joshua Chu, and David Cameron

Disclaimer: The views expressed in this podcast are solely those of the host and speakers.

 

In this episode we feature two conversations exploring different frontiers of finance and technology.

This episode focuses on Hong Kong’s startup company environment. Specifically, how conducive is the city’s ecosystem is for their inception, growth and scaling up – legally, commercially and policy-wise.

In the initial spotlight segment, we speak with David Cameron, a veteran American lawyer based in the territory who advises startups on the challenges and pitfalls startups face in their earlier stages. Obtaining affordable and sound legal advice is a key part of their quandary.

Following that, we chat about what can be done to form a body that offers genuine support and mentoring to up and coming HK businesses with Syed Musheer Ahmed managing director of FinStep Asia and a former regulator with the Virtual Asset Regulatory Authority in Dubai, and local lawyer Joshua Chu. Simply put: it’s going to revolve around public-private partnership.

David Cameron

David Cameron is managing partner and founder of the David Cameron Law Office, or DCLO - an independent, HK based law firm offering international legal services. Founded in 2021, the firm is qualified to act on matters of Hong Kong and New York law. He has 16 years of experience in the Hong Kong market – including time spent at some of the largest law firms in the world, such as Linklaters and Allen & Overy.

Joshua Chu is a prominent Hong Kong lawyer in all matters fintech and crypto and a prolific writer. His opinion and insights are much sought after by the local press and correspondents of major foreign news organizations operating in the city. You can often hear him at his most candid on radio at RTHK. He is also co-chair of the Hong Kong Web 3 Association, and legal advisor to the Hong Kong Blockchain Association.

Joshua Chu

DCLO is a corporate law firm, offering advice and solutions on general corporate matters, capital raising, M&A, fund formation and contract law. DCLO also has specialized areas in family law, employment law, immigration and litigation. In addition, DCLO has the unique offering of acting as external general counsel for growing companies that do not yet have their own in-house legal counsel.

DCLO is also deeply involved in Hong Kong initiatives, such as family offices, Hong Kong limited partnership funds (LPFs), Hong Kong open-ended fund companies (OFCs) and the Hong Kong's Capital Investment Entrant Scheme.

Syed Musheer Ahmed

Syed Musheer Ahmed is managing director of FinStep Asia – a firm he founded six years ago. With over 18 years of extensive experience as an ecosystem builder in the realms of capital markets, fintech and virtual assets – including a decade as a global markets’ trader, prior to coming to Hong Kong to attain his MBA from theUniversity of Hong Kong and London Business School’s joint program.

A self-described “fintech ballerina,” since 2016 Musheer has contributed extensively to building the region’s fintech and virtual assets ecosystem, particularly as the co-founder and as a concurrent board member and the inaugural general manager of the Fintech Association of Hong Kong (FTAHK).

He has also done a stint as a regulator. Beyond his many contributions to the territory’s fintech regulatory policy during his tenure with the FTAHK, from October 2022 to January 2024, he served as a financial markets risk assurance lead with the Virtual Assets Regulatory Authority in Dubai.

PODCAST DISCUSSION.   The conversation starts with reference to a recent article published in the South China Morning Post written by Petty Sito and Julie Zhang on how the quasi-governmental body known as InvestHK, is now helping local companies’ grow overseas after focusing on attracting investment to the city for the past 25 years.

The article mentions the Evident Group, operator of a digital investment platform for alternative assets and licensed by the Securities and Futures Commission, formed a partnership with Zand Bank, the UAE’s first fully licensed digital bank. The collaboration will provide the Dubai-based bank’s clients with investment opportunities through Evident’s tokenization technology and infrastructure. Yet, is that enough when places like Singapore, Taiwan and Israel long ago seemed to have learned now to nurture and scale up startups to go global? Our guests today certainly think an empowered, well-resourced startup-centric body would be a good idea and will require public and private-partnership to make it happen. The crux of the discussion of what can be done to improve Hong Kong’s startup ecosystem? More pointedly – what can be done to help up and coming companies reach their potential and possibly become the juggernauts of tomorrow? Indications are it will require a separate entity offering genuine startup support, something beyond InvestHK, Cyberport, Science Park or the Hong Kong Trade Development Council. David kicks things off, sharing his thoughts on the legal and compliance challenges that startups face in the Special Administrative Region with Regulatory Ramblings host Ajay Shamdasani. They discuss how to effectively serve as a lawyer for a startup when they probably don't have much of a legal budget. In such instances, perhaps fractional or part-time in-house counsel might be more suited to a firm’s means and needs. Yet, beyond legal considerations, other mistakes do startups make such running out of money too soon seems like a cliche at this point. David shares his perspective on what can be done to improve the city's ecosystem for startups and stresses that legal expenses should be seen as an investment in a firm’s future rather than costly, burdensome drudgery. The discussion then shifts to Musheer and Joshua in the second segment. They stress that looking objectively at the SAR’s existing structure of InvestHK, Cyberport and Science Park, and without being overly critical of what has come before though past government actions – mistakes have been made and, hopefully, lessons have been learned. Even still, they ask, what would need to be done to create a proper startup support entity? As Musheer notes: something distinct from either Cyberport or HKSTP is needed: “more of an internal InvestHK with a main [key performance indicator] of building and sustaining [a] local ecosystem.” They both emphasize that the hallmark of strong startup ecosystem is how strong the community is. “They need bank account access, government subsidies, and both local and international business ties,” Musheer said. In a similar vein, Joshua added: “Is the community open to it [startups]? Hong Kong can be very myopic with everyone doing their own thing. Early-stage funding in here is weak. How do we fix that?” Both men cited that examples that have worked elsewhere in the world have been modeled on private-public partnership, incubators like the city’s very own WHub, along with university grants for startups – all of which Hong Kong has. “The pain points in Hong Kong are it is rich in tech and ideas, but you need a lot of people for startups to thrive; a critical mass of consumers. They need ready pool of consumers excited about product launches. Then look at how incubators can pitch to select committees,” Joshua said. Both experts conclude that the city needs not only investors, but also mentors and a nurturing, open-minded community with support systems. That includes non-financial, operational support for local startups in Hong Kong – with adequate communication and partnerships, and perhaps angel investors who can help with coordinating matters. Culture and mindset are a key part of the equation. The local startup scene needs local angel adviser-mentors because as Joshua observes: “the Hong Kong business environment is too Asian, too formulaic and math-based. We need some element of [creative] strategy.” Infrastructure issues are also a concern. For example, the city’s Cyberport and Science Park could use better transportation, they say, because both locations are far away from the core business districts of Central, Admiralty and Wanchai. Beyond that, both say the city has great facilities that can help bring innovative companies together. “What’s needed is more facilitation of commercialization,” Musheer said. The ultimate question is, they conclude: can private enterprises come together with government to create better business strategies?

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Welcome to Regulatory Ramblings, a podcast from a team at The University of Hong Kong on the intersection of all things pertaining to finance, technology, law and regulation. Hosted by the HKU Reg/Tech Lab, HKU-Standard Chartered FinTech Academy Asia Global Institute, and the HKU-edX Professional Certificate in FinTech, join us as we hear from luminaries across multiple fields and professions as they share their candid thoughts in a stress-free environment - rather than the soundbites one typically hears from the mainstream press.

Regulatory Ramblings is a forum for those that appreciate long-form conversation. While it is something that may be regarded as lost art of an older time, it is nonetheless sorely needed in an age when glibness and flippancy pass for analysis in conventional journalism.

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Ajay Shamdasani is a veteran writer, editor and researcher based in Hong Kong. He holds an AB in history and government from Ripon College, JD and MIPCT degrees from the University of New Hampshire Franklin Pierce Law School, and an LLM in financial regulation from the Illinois Institute of Technology’s Chicago-Kent College of Law.

His 15-year long career as a financial and legal journalist began as deputy editor of A Plus magazine – the journal of the Hong Kong Institute of Certified Public Accountants. From there, he assumed the helm of Macau Business magazine as its editor-in-chief, and later, joined Asialaw magazine as its deputy editor.   More recently, he spent close to seven years as a senior correspondent with Thomson Reuters’ subscription-based trade-wire service Regulatory Intelligence/Compliance Complete (previously called Complinet) in Hong Kong. While there, he covered regulatory developments in that city, as well as Singapore, India and South Korea.

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